Preface: Yes; I've searched and read and watched videos. Over and over. Forgive my confusion/questions, please.
I am pretty much a one trick pony right now - swinging with horizontal hinging. It's working fine and I'm confident with it, but I'm trying to work though the curriculum (7th ed.) and learn new things/improve/educate. I'm plateaued at a weekend 14 hcp. and I was previously a 12. I clearly have incomplete information - and I'm trying to cure that.
When learning/practicing/executing different hinging motions: vertical, horizontal, and angled hinging in basic motion; what is the prefered way or procedure to setup/prep or program that in? Do I set it in my impact fix address procedure; and how?
Regarding delivery line roll prep, should I be trying to think of it at the top? I feel like I'm developing a weird yip at the top trying different hinges. I never thought about anything before except coming down the plane line. Now I've got a swing thought.
ETA: I should add this is after watching one of the videos linked in a thread
Since I have tried to include angled hinging, my 'uneducated hands' are betraying me because I'm not explicitly confident how to program the hinge. I feel like I'm creating angled through grip pressure. By reverse-implication, would that necessarily mean I'm using the 10-3-K? And is that the root cause of my problem?
Separately, should I feel like I lose connection with PP#4 with vertical hinging? Is that the proper way to keep a FLW with vertical hinging? I think that leads back to the first question: I feel like I want to manipulate my distance from the ball based on hinging motion I am going to employ.
Lastly, is there an option chain (finance joke) for Delivery Line Roll Prep from 12-3-0 (22) to ch. 7 or 10?
Thank you. Regards.
Last edited by styles : 12-17-2010 at 10:37 PM.
Reason: ETA inserted above
"Delivery Line Roll Prep" means to prepare to "Uncock and Roll" without disturbing the Clubhead Orbit (which would disturb the Clubhead Orbit), per the selected Wrist Action (Single or Standard) so you don't need to twist and manipulate the Clubhead after Release (Steering, etc).
Is your Right Forearm Wedge Aligned for Swinging Procedure? Meaning: is your Right Elbow "Pitched"? Are your Wrists Turned to the Plane? Are you ready to Horizontal Hinge? Is your Left Wrist Flat and your Right Wrist Level and Bent? Do you feel the #3 Pressure Point? Etc. Etc....
"Delivery Line Roll Prep" means to prepare to "Uncock and Roll" without disturbing the Clubhead Orbit (which would disturb the Clubhead Orbit), per the selected Wrist Action (Single or Standard) so you don't need to twist and manipulate the Clubhead after Release (Steering, etc).
Is your Right Forearm Wedge Aligned for Swinging Procedure? Meaning: is your Right Elbow "Pitched"? Yes.
Are your Wrists Turned to the Plane? Yes.
Are you ready to Horizontal Hinge? Yes; I think so. What I am not sure of is if I am ever ready to AH. Apparently I setup for and prepare for HH at the top. I have no problems horizontal hinging and I have seen the videos on hinging and 'confusing' hinging and the swivel. It seems to be the angled hinge that I have problems with. Per 2-G (para 3) "... imparted by the turning torso and/or the orbiting Arms,"
Is your Left Wrist Flat and your Right Wrist Level and Bent? Do you feel the #3 Pressure Point? Yes.
So, basically, my HH is good, but per 2-G (p3) I'm worried about "Learning only one Action."
When I want to use angled hinging what should I change if anything in impact fix from when I use HH (such as weaker grip, stand closer to the ball)? Also per 2-G (p3) HK says "Educate the Left Hand to reproduce - with Zero Pivot - the three Hinge Actions" (I also watched the two videos with the door hinges), and I understand what the hinging actions are, but I can't discern HOW to make other than HH action reliably. What commands to give the COMPUTER, per se.
Say, I'm hitting a shot and I'm standing behind the ball and thinking I want to hit a fade, I want to use an AH. What should I be thinking/doing differently/explicitly vs. my normal procedure to make/execute the AH at impact fix, address, how would I program to hit a specific shot with one hinge and not go ahead and HH or double cross myself?
Currently, when I try to make angled hinge I can only do it by tightening my grip / resisting roll, but it seems to get away from me / double cross me. Is that the proper way to manipulate the clubface for angled hinging? "Seems as if" I do not turn the torso as hard.
Use the "Feels" to learn and apply an Angled Hinge for a Swinger. Angle Hinge is a "No Roll" feel at Impact. I like that procedure because it doesn't require any other change or manipulation and that helps prevent other stuff from creeping into your Swing Pattern, (i.e. bad habits). You can also use a 10-2-D Grip and Angle Hinge by changing the Paddlewheel Action of the Right Forearm to a True Angle motion through Impact. But that's too much screwing around. I would always adopt the more straight-forward procedure.
Why would you want to Angle Hinge a Full Stroke? I don't know if that's practical for a Swinger. What's to gain? How much practice will that consume? How precise can you become and at what cost? Unless you want to be a standard - off the press golf pro "Clone", I would stay on the road to enlightenment.
Also, have you considered using a Hitting Pattern for Chip Shots and Putting? Then the Angled Hinge becomes inherent. Think about this: a 5 foot chip with Horizontal Hinge out-of-the-rough, from above the Pin? Brutal. Hitters have it so easy. But, with those conditions it's time to pull out the old "Vertical Hinge" anyway.
Use the "Feels" to learn and apply an Angled Hinge for a Swinger. Angle Hinge is a "No Roll" feel at Impact. I like that procedure because it doesn't require any other change or manipulation and that helps prevent other stuff from creeping into your Swing Pattern, (i.e. bad habits). You can also use a 10-2-D Grip and Angle Hinge by changing the Paddlewheel Action of the Right Forearm to a True Angle motion through Impact. But that's too much screwing around. I would always adopt the more straight-forward procedure.
I thought I was supposed to use the mechanics to lead to feel. My feel and mechanics are apparently wrong. So, I'm asking mechanically, how does one swing-with-angled-hinging?
Why would you want to Angle Hinge a Full Stroke?
Because I thought all the videos and the book say I'm supposed to as part of the basic motion curriculum. And the line I quoted from 2-G (para 3).
I don't know if that's practical for a Swinger. What's to gain? How much practice will that consume? How precise can you become and at what cost? Unless you want to be a standard - off the press golf pro "Clone", I would stay on the road to enlightenment.
Also, have you considered using a Hitting Pattern for Chip Shots and Putting? Then the Angled Hinge becomes inherent. Think about this: a 5 foot chip with Horizontal Hinge out-of-the-rough, from above the Pin? Brutal. Hitters have it so easy. But, with those conditions it's time to pull out the old "Vertical Hinge" anyway.
I definitely hit for putting. For chipping (or I also like chip-and-runs, bump-and-runs) I swing with horizontal hinging. For short pitches, or in the scenario you described, I can hit with angled or vertical hinging.
The "problem" is when I swing I go ahead and horizontal hinge.
I thought we should learn all three hinging motions with swinging and hitting. I'm probably doing of those six I'm probably doing 3 correctly: swinging-HH, hitting-AH, hitting-VH.
The "problem" is when I swing I go ahead and horizontal hinge.
I thought we should learn all three hinging motions with swinging and hitting. I'm probably doing of those six I'm probably doing 3 correctly: swinging-HH, hitting-AH, hitting-VH.
Learn all three so that you understand their differences, which will help you understand yours better.
It seems you want to learn TGM as well as learn your pattern. I agree. I think that's the Thinkers way. There's a years worth of reading and invaluable info on this web-site.
Learn all three so that you understand their differences, which will help you understand yours better.
It seems you want to learn TGM as well as learn your pattern. I agree. I think that's the Thinkers way. There's a years worth of reading and invaluable info on this web-site.
Yes; I've been reading it for over 5 years already.
I still don't understand how to program an angled hinge at impact fix and keep it.
Yes; I've been reading it for over 5 years already.
I still don't understand how to program an angled hinge at impact fix and keep it.
5 Years? You're a Newbie.
You won't program the Angled Hinge into you swinging Pattern at Impact Fix unless you use the 10-2-D grip. But, from the Top (and before) "Are you Prepared to ROLL"? Are you prepared to enter and leave the Impact interval with a "No Roll" feel?
You won't program the Angled Hinge into you swinging Pattern at Impact Fix unless you use the 10-2-D grip. But, from the Top (and before) "Are you Prepared to ROLL"? Are you prepared to enter and leave the Impact interval with a "No Roll" feel?
That's EXACTLY what I needed to hear. Thank you for sifting through it with me. I was trying to AH with 10-2-B and could not execute the swinging procedure without rolling.
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