Drag the Pit Bull!
 

Okay, okay, okay!

I'll get with Bambam and see if we can dig the 'pit bull' video out already!

:laughing9

Stay tuned!

Found it!

I liked the concept of Drag the Mop, but I think I like Drag the Dog even better. There is certainly more resistance.
Thanks for the lesson reminder, Yoday. It reminded me of much of what we did at Medinah CC, but I appreciated the mention of the left foot. I think that little move on the heel and toe would take a lot of pressure off the knee.

That's being creative alright.
Is this drag loading (the mop dog) or drive loading?

Bambam,

Please post a 'swing sequence'. May be some surprises here!

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Lag & Drag
 

Here's some lag and drag...

Drag Loading -- Swinging.

But, until the release of the 'power package' (arms and hands accelerating Pluto) -- the option was mine. Note that while (1) the left arm released; (2) the left wrist uncocked; and (3) the left hand rolled . . at no time was the Pluto Lag released. From the 'top', it was loaded and sustained. Pluto kept hangin' back . . .

And I kept pullin'!

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Dragging Dogs Versus Dragging Clubheads
 

Let's see now. That would be . . .

Address.

Startup.

Backstroke / Top.

Downstroke / Release.

Impact.

Follow-through.

Looks like precision alignments to me!

Ben, know it's late, but got some comparisons?

:sleepy:

Pitbull vs. The Greats
 

Full Screen Slideshow

Pluto's Gravity
 

This appears to be Pluto, if not its a close resemblance. If you ever get a chance to meet Pluto, you'll meet with the most powerful doggie love you've ever encountered. It can be overwhelming, especially if you are sensitive to pit bulls running at you full speed.

Now that's some doghead lag and drag.

How sweet it is...
 

Seeing the dog reminds me of the Golden our sons had while growing up.

One day he got a package of Jell-O out of the box and into his mouth.
Try as I did I could not pry his jaws open to take that Jell-O pack.
But.
I will never lose to even a dog.
So.
I dragged him over to the garbage bucket, poked a hole in the Jell-O bag and shook him till the packet was empty.
He got to keep the empty bag but I got the Jell-O.

The Bear

Draggin' Dogs and Clubheads
 

Well, there ya go.

Champions (Ben Hogan and Byron Nelson) draggin' clubheads (back and through) or . . .

Yoda draggin' a pit bull.

The alignments are identical.

Thanks, Ben!

And . . .

Pluto!

Wow that was funny....and answered a question I had about hip rotation through the shot with a open stance line. Nice.

basic motion
 

The pitbull drag loading gets most of the attention.

But the main/first part is also interesting.

There was a lot going on there. Is this just an exercise or are there so many moving parts in the basic motion as well? Lifting of the heels, hip rotation, knees ...What did you call it - a marked time motion, if I heard what you said(?) Not sure what that is.

This is the basis motion, you said swinging you arms back and forth (more than two feet it looked like). Looked more like a required motion with so much going on? (But I'm not the expert).

And the followthru (for the total motion). Do you recommend that the front part of the left foot spins out to the left while the heel is turned on the ground as you were demonstrating? When do we use it? I haven't seen this before.

This video seemed different in a way - or have I as usual just problems getting the message?

Have a look at these videos . . . . when one applies force in significant amounts you'll occasionally see that in some of the best with regards to foot action.

Check these out . . .

Hogan


Snead


Nicklaus


Palmer (check at about 1:00 mark)

You showed the total motion from these great players. But Yoda showed the basic motion. I didn't know that so much was going on at this first stage.

Words Matter
 

There is a misunderstanding here, and it is due solely to terminology.

This was a personal video shot several years ago for a specific purpose. Namely, to offer a solution to an injured player (Brian Watts). It was never intended to be posted here. It is here only because of Pluto!

I made no reference to TGM. In fact, the movements shown have their origin in Bob MacDonald (Golf / 1927), not TGM. Within the context of my video message to my player, I stand by my statement in the video that the combined pivot and arm swing constitute the 'basic motion' of the stroke -- its "fundamental nature" -- knowing full well that a strict TGM definition would label the degree of motion as Second Stage (Acquired) or even Third Stage (Total).

Your confusion does make an important point:

What we call things matters.

If we can't agree on what our words mean, what chance do we have communicate?

:confused1

Ok - glad that's cleared up, so my head doesn't hurt so much.
:eyes:
But - can these movements be used in any way - they gave a good feeling that maybe could be used in the swing in a good way - in the TGM acquired or total swing?

Dude . . . . Come on man . . . Let's move on from this . . .

Basic Motion is basically 2 feet back and 2 feet thru . . . but BASIC TO ALL MOTIONS IS THE MOTION OF ARMS AND PIVOT . . . and Pivot as defined by Homer Kelley can be full pivot OR NO PIVOT AT ALL . . . that'd be Zero Pivot.

Do you have the book?

I have the book, but can't read it (in the right way). If you are getting upset with me - let me know. And regarding understanding - there can be total understanding or no understanding at all -- that'd be Zero Understanding.

Thanks guys . Very interesting.

"So Yoda are you telling me that you cant just imitate Ben Hogan's positions? That they were a product of something else? And what is that something else anyways?"

Asked a million men who have tried but failed.

Naw man . . . not upset . . . it's the internet . . . but you can't equate dragging a dog around to a chip shot . . . you get that much pivot going and you're partners would have to wear athletic supporters to join you just to play putt putt.

I was talking about the part in the video before the dog dragging. Anyway Yoda has cleared up that misunderstanding. So life goes on.

I still am wondering - to what use do we that are not injured have from this video - apart from the drag loading part? Are these motions important in the total swing? What about the lifting of the heels? Or is this just for an injured with less mobility? As former stated - it gave a good feeling - well worth keeping as something to build on? Or not.

Could you please post the link you are referencing? I'm confused . . .

To the Point
 

I have edited the video, and it now begins with the original intended focus: Namely, a creative way to explain Lag and Drag in the Golf Stroke.

All posts written prior to that edit remain, and some contain references to the deleted material. Sorry for any confusion.

:salut:

In your post 22 you are talking about the dog draging aspect, while I was talking about the 80% of the video before that last part. But never mind. It's enough that I'm confused.

Well, now that part has disappeared. Too bad, I enjoyed it (and still remember what I saw). Shall I just forget it - or can I still make use of it (but only if you answer. No answer then has to mean: forget it).

So Old It's New
 

Go here and enjoy!

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/index.p...20861548192705

But, please, no threadjacking discussion here. Search for MacDonald Exercises, and I'm sure you'll find a thread or three for comment and questions. Alternatively, start a new one if those in the archives do not serve the purpose. Here's a thread to get you started: http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread4435.html.

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Thank you.

I'm not sure what a threadjacker is. It's not good I guess. Maybe I unintensionally am a threadjacker. I am unintensionally a hacker as well.

What a Drag it is getting bold!!!
 

Where else but here can you have you host look danger eye to eye to get his point across.

That was a funny instruction video with a lot of heart.

It's a rare thing to see the instructor and the ehhh... "golf club" enjoying it that much.

Subject Matter Matters
 

Threadjacking is diverting a thread from its original purpose. It is usually unintentional, and I myself am a serial offender, although I'm far more attentive to the phenomenon than I was earlier on.

That said, I unintentionally threadjacked my own Golf Channel Instructor thread -- mea culpa! -- by including the original Pit Bull post there. I corrected that error after I saw what was happening and moved my 'offending' post (and all its followups) into its own well-deserved thread.

Since the earlier part of the original video contained material not relevant to my original purpose and had begun to spawn its own irrelevant (to the thread) comments, I deleted that portion (author's privilege!). The information explained and demonstrated in that segment deserves its own thread for discussion, and in fact has enjoyed that light in these pages. It was obvious that you were unaware of these existing threads, and that is why I directed you specifically to them. But, also why I included a request that further discussion of the material presented in that segment be conducted elsewhere.

Do not take these measures as censure. Far from it. I admire and applaud your quest for knowledge. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that if an active poster hasn't threadjacked on numerous occasions, he's really not on his game! It's just best for all concerned if we keep information on specific subjects -- and particularly on the more important ones -- as concentrated as possible.

:salut:

It was nice of you to explaine this in even more detail. I understand what you are saying. The downside is that I miss this first part because I tried it out and it felt rhythmical and comfortabel, but then I got confused on what it actually represented - that is now cleared up - and since it is not TGM related it probably doesn't contribute in any meaningful way? Too bad - I thought I was on to something. But it resembles when Rick Murphy was doing his gras cuter thing and what you yourself were teaching?: (5.30 minutes into the video)
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...t=embedwebsite
so it must be good for something !?

Now . . . Where Were We?
 

You draw the wrong conclusion.

The information I presented and demonstrated is extremely valuable. That is why Bob MacDonald published its basis in 1927 and why I resurrected it eighty years later in this private video (2007). It is also why I referred you to the originating illustrations and thread on this site.

Any motion golf-like is "TGM related". That's because TGM catalogs and explains all motions "golf-like". However . . .

I live and teach what has now become my own brand: Alignment Golf. I am proud of its basis in the principles and procedures of TGM and especially of my personal relationship with its author, Homer Kelley. But, my day-to-day work synthesizes my lifetime in golf: My exposure to its history; the players and the teachers of generations past and present; and the wide diversity of opinion that is always there.

This is what my students want.

This is what they need.

And, this is what they get.

And now . . .

Back to our regular programming!

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I see.

Thanks again.

Pqwerful lag and drag ...does that power empower a stronger EA?
 

So, trying to logically fit-in a missing piece, not thread-jacking, I wondered if a heavy wet mop, or a playful, determined dog does not just cause extra strong Extensor Action.
Extra EA, hold the mayo, seems to help me on almost every shot save the driver and 3 wood/metal. They like a looser shoulder/arm combination, from me.

Are you encouraging a heavier EA when you encourage more lag and drag?

YBGF