Like I've been saying Yoda.....just play the TAPE!!!
Eddie....do you use the motion that you described above today? It sounds like you have watched the Australia video!!!
I would have to believe the highlighting of section 7-19 with the phrase "FORGET IT" from Tomasello was in reference to elbow injury, not right arm acceleration...
I'll respond more later....I have a meeting to attend to.
DG
DG,
I have watched the Austrailian tape, in fact I bought it from you!
When I worked with Tom, I had no TGM knowledge or experience. I took every word that he said as gospel. What I have come to learn over these many years is that Tom was actually finding his way through TGM and his thoughts were in a constant state of flux and evolution. I can tell you that in 1987, Tom had completely adopted a pivot controlled hands approach to his teaching. Page 223, sixth edition, last sentence 1st paragraph, he had me strike "Educated hands control the pivot" and replace it with "Pivot controls the hands". And on page 61, at the bottom of the page I have his note: "We are using pivot controlled hands!! Having the pivot "in charge" is easier." He was huge on learning the stick drill, and like I referenced earlier, I can still hear his mantra..."withdraw the right hip, fold the right arm, straighten the right arm, withdraw the left hip."
When he said straighten the right arm, it was more like STRAIGHTEN the right arm!!!!! RIGHT NOW!!! IMMEDIATELY!!!! ( All the while maintaining a bent right wrist all the way to the finish.) Incidentally, in 12-2-0, he changed the Shoulder turn component to "Rotating", the Hip Action to "Standard", the loading action to "Random Sweep, the Power Package Delivery Path to "Top Arc", and the Power Package Release to "Auto Snap".
The last time that I worked with Tom, probably around mid 1990 or so...he was into CIRCLE PATH DELIVERY for all shots. In looking back, I think that his association with Peter Croker was the explanation for this new approach. This is a couple of years before you worked with Tom, and perhaps by then he had develped a penchant for right arm swinging.
I have watched the Austrailian tape, in fact I bought it from you!
When I worked with Tom, I had no TGM knowledge or experience. I took every word that he said as gospel. What I have come to learn over these many years is that Tom was actually finding his way through TGM and his thoughts were in a constant state of flux and evolution. I can tell you that in 1987, Tom had completely adopted a pivot controlled hands approach to his teaching. Page 223, sixth edition, last sentence 1st paragraph, he had me strike "Educated hands control the pivot" and replace it with "Pivot controls the hands". And on page 61, at the bottom of the page I have his note: "We are using pivot controlled hands!! Having the pivot "in charge" is easier." He was huge on learning the stick drill, and like I referenced earlier, I can still hear his mantra..."withdraw the right hip, fold the right arm, straighten the right arm, withdraw the left hip."
When he said straighten the right arm, it was more like STRAIGHTEN the right arm!!!!! RIGHT NOW!!! IMMEDIATELY!!!! ( All the while maintaining a bent right wrist all the way to the finish.) Incidentally, in 12-2-0, he changed the Shoulder turn component to "Rotating", the Hip Action to "Standard", the loading action to "Random Sweep, the Power Package Delivery Path to "Top Arc", and the Power Package Release to "Auto Snap".
The last time that I worked with Tom, probably around mid 1990 or so...he was into CIRCLE PATH DELIVERY for all shots. In looking back, I think that his association with Peter Croker was the explanation for this new approach. This is a couple of years before you worked with Tom, and perhaps by then he had develped a penchant for right arm swinging.
End of story...that's all I know.
EC
EC,
Today, I started to listen to the tapes I made during my three-day school with Tommy (this time 12 years ago)....what he taught me was....right forearm (right forearm Takeaway which moves the shoulders which in turn moves the hip (Tom taught me delayed hip-action), right hip, right forearm, left hip. Its the same move he used on the Australia tape...
Tommy definitely talked about starting to un-cock the right elbow at the start of the downswing (magic of the right forearm)....
When I worked with Tom, I had no TGM knowledge or experience. I took every word that he said as gospel. What I have come to learn over these many years is that Tom was actually finding his way through TGM and his thoughts were in a constant state of flux and evolution. I can tell you that in 1987, Tom had completely adopted a pivot controlled hands approach to his teaching. Page 223, sixth edition, last sentence 1st paragraph, he had me strike "Educated hands control the pivot" and replace it with "Pivot controls the hands". And on page 61, at the bottom of the page I have his note: "We are using pivot controlled hands!! Having the pivot "in charge" is easier." He was huge on learning the stick drill, and like I referenced earlier, I can still hear his mantra..."withdraw the right hip, fold the right arm, straighten the right arm, withdraw the left hip."
When he said straighten the right arm, it was more like STRAIGHTEN the right arm!!!!! RIGHT NOW!!! IMMEDIATELY!!!! ( All the while maintaining a bent right wrist all the way to the finish.) Incidentally, in 12-2-0, he changed the Shoulder turn component to "Rotating", the Hip Action to "Standard", the loading action to "Random Sweep, the Power Package Delivery Path to "Top Arc", and the Power Package Release to "Auto Snap".
The last time that I worked with Tom, probably around mid 1990 or so...he was into CIRCLE PATH DELIVERY for all shots. In looking back, I think that his association with Peter Croker was the explanation for this new approach. This is a couple of years before you worked with Tom, and perhaps by then he had develped a penchant for right arm swinging.
End of story...that's all I know.
EC
The lesson is this:
Follow, learn and understand the Basic Patterns of Hitting and Swinging in 12-1 and 12-2 before customising your own variations. That applies even if you think you know a lot about TGM. Only until you really know what you're doing and you really understand the jigsaw, then start customising. Even then, be very careful of what you're doing. Otherwise, you are much much better off following Homer's Pattern. Afterall, he's spent 28 years looking for it.
Follow, learn and understand the Basic Patterns of Hitting and Swinging in 12-1 and 12-2 before customising your own variations. That applies even if you think you know a lot about TGM. Only until you really know what you're doing and you really understand the jigsaw, then start customising. Even then, be very careful of what you're doing. Otherwise, you are much much better off following Homer's Pattern. Afterall, he's spent 28 years looking for it.
Just was reading this thread....
Wanted to point out that great post....it's true....it's true.
After rewatching the Australian tape again, it's clear that his Swinging procedure is nothing more than a standard 3-barrel inert left arm Swinging procedure with standard wrist action and horizontal hinging. The "long right arm" is just the normal result of an ordinary 3-barrel Swing which goes to a both arms straight position after separation. This Swing is not a right arm Swing. The right forearm has a downplane MOTION in the standard 3-barrel Swing, but it's right shoulder flywheel ACTION which produces it.
After rewatching the Australian tape again, it's clear that his Swinging procedure is nothing more than a standard 3-barrel inert left arm Swinging procedure with standard wrist action and horizontal hinging. The "long right arm" is just the normal result of an ordinary 3-barrel Swing which goes to a both arms straight position after separation. This Swing is not a right arm Swing. The right forearm has a downplane MOTION in the standard 3-barrel Swing, but it's right shoulder flywheel ACTION which produces it.
Joe,
I'm sorry your wrong....the right forearm (the magic of the right forearm) is controlling the WHOLE motion...from start up to finish. The body responds to the action of the right forearm...I suggest going back and re-watch the whole video series...
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 10-08-2005 at 12:20 AM.
I'm sorry your wrong....the right forearm (the magic of the right forearm) is controlling the WHOLE motion...from start up to finish. The body responds to the action of the right forearm...I suggest going back and re-watch the whole video series...
DG
DG,
Then I'll ask again, in spite of your previous refusals to answer - how does the right forearm move? It has to be from right shoulder flywheel action OR right tricep thrust. There are no other mechanisms available to move the right forearm downplane.
Then I'll ask again, in spite of your previous refusals to answer - how does the right forearm move? It has to be from right shoulder flywheel action OR right tricep thrust. There are no other mechanisms available to move the right forearm downplane.
Right Shoulder responds to the action of the Right Forearm...Right Triceps respond to the action of the Right Forearm....there I said it (and I have been saying FOR A LONG TIME). For the umpteenth time it's called the MAGIC OF THE RIGHT FOREARM.
For Tom Tomasello October 1993...driving range Deer Track Golf Resort.
Backstroke sequence: Right Forearm (Takeaway), Shoulders, Hips (clearing right hip).
Downstroke sequence: Right Forearm (start down), Shoulders, Hips (pay attention to the left hip it must keep moving...sliding action motion at the beginning of the downstroke (in response to the right forearm moving downplane), rotating hip action once the right arm reconnects to the body, right elbow in front of the right hip.)
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 10-08-2005 at 09:57 AM.
Right Shoulder responds to the action of the Right Forearm...Right Triceps respond to the action of the Right Forearm....there I said it (and I have been saying FOR A LONG TIME). For the umpteenth time it's called the MAGIC OF THE RIGHT FOREARM.
DG
OK, what causes this right forearm "action" that EVERYTHING is responding to?
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