Bear, the other possibility is that I'm making all of this up......................which could be also be true. My grandmother was Irish after all.
Not made up at all O.B. Here is what Homer said in 7-19 of the 6th edition:
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The “Right Arm Swing” is simply 10-3-K with the loosened Wrists (7-1) and longitudinal acceleration using 7-19-3 above. Only with this “Rope Handle” procedure can the Right Arm be said to “Swing” – and still per 1-L-9 and -10. But with the Axe Handle procedures there must be a straight line piston to avoid injury of the right elbow ligaments. So, if there is a twinge in the elbow, you are Swinging the Right Arm.
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I could be wrong. I have been before, and will be again.
At the risk of hijacking my own thread. The “experiment “ I was working with on the days I “tweeked” my elbow was INCREASING EFFECTIVE MASS, 2-E, 2-M-1, 2-M-2, 2-M-3. ( adding #1 to an elbow that is in front and pitching) [ 4 barrel swing] . I want that wet mop feel and at the same time I do not want ANY deceleration, OF ANYTHING through impact I want acceleration of EVERYTHING THROUGH to follow through. Did you ever see Ted Williams or Mickey Mantle break the handle off their bat just by swing force not by hitting the ball? (for you hockey guys that would be BH or GH breaking their stick before they get to the puck on a slap shot) Well,I have, And, I want to break the shaft without contacting anything. I will argue, that as CF increases the radius the club try to “back up” the hands. If I just let it happen everything slows down in spite of the “heavy” (But not what it should be) feelings in the hands. I want it to have mass and maintain velocity. I like Drew’s exercise of learn to throw a club down range BUT I think there are 2 things to look for; 1. Throw in the correct direction and 2. Throw it club head first (Does the club do a helicopter down range or is it an arrow?) I think if this can be done you become “King of the world” So, why let #2 flop around and contribute nothing but motion?
I need to mention. I need to find MAX so I can adjust back to OK.
The Bear
Last edited by HungryBear : 03-13-2010 at 10:57 AM.
There is a tradeoff between clubhead speed and hand speed in the golf stroke. If I take what you say literally I read that you wish to reduce your clubhead speed to increase your hand speed.
If you go for a snap release it will have a slow down effect on the hands. This is a good thing because it means that a bigger portion of the energy you generate in your down stroke is allocated from your body parts to the club head. This slow down can be fought of course if you're able to keep upp the good work and not just freewheel through the ball.
Homer called it resistance against slowdown and that is probably as good as it gets without killing the clubhead speed.
Personally I want maximum (or very close to maximum) swing speed through the ball. And then I want to add all the thrust I am able to deliver. Successful thrusting possibly gives 10-20 yards extra but only when the swing speed is intact.
[quote=BerntR;71470]There is a tradeoff between clubhead speed and hand speed in the golf stroke. If I take what you say literally I read that you wish to reduce your clubhead speed to increase your hand speed.
If you go for a snap release it will have a slow down effect on the hands. This is a good thing because it means that a bigger portion of the energy you generate in your down stroke is allocated from your body parts to the club head. This slow down can be fought of course if you're able to keep upp the good work and not just freewheel through the ball.
Homer called it resistance against slowdown and that is probably as good as it gets without killing the clubhead speed.
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I think that may be correct under the conditions that energy within the system is constant . I think BOTH can be increased by adding energy to the system in the same manner as resistance against slowdown is added. Trivial example would be the putt. a. like a pendulum add no energy. b. add mass to resist impact deceration. or c. accelerate through the ball.
I do not understand. why are there tradeoffs? I am missing something. I remember the book talking hand speed vs pulley size and high hand vs. low hands and max hand speed but I always related that section to general mechanical advantage . Is there particular section where homer makes the points I need to understand? Thanks.
The Bear
Really? They could break their bats without hitting anything, including their backs? Thats interesting. Some serious forces in play there. As for the hockey players , ya for sure but for a slap shot you do hit the ice well before the puck and bend the crap out of the shaft in the process prior to impact. I sometimes think in those terms for golf especially for Hitting, bending the shaft against the turf but........for golf you do have to hit the ball before the ground, of course.
Re hand speed, Homer thought each of us had our own maximum speed and no amount of effort could increase it. However I think that more effort typically results in an earlier Release, less that ideal for maximum distance. So in this manner each of us has our own ideal Hand Speed. Which allows for maximum Trigger delay and therefor maximum Clubhead Speed.
So hammer it but remember its a Swingers Release Trigger which for maximum distance must still be Delayed. In a mechanical sense this is saving some lever extension for the ball. The boxer extends his right arm through his target but dances around prior , trying to sneak his right shoulder closer to his opponents head prior to actively extending. Same for golf, you dont want to make contact with the ball with the lever nearing fully extended and so we must get our Right Shoulder close to the ball prior to finally extending. There is also the degrees of rotation of the primary lever vis a vis time consideration for Snap Release, meaning added clubhead speed.
Id say a non automatic Release Trigger form of thrusting can be pretty dang forceful , violent almost, but the timing requirements , slow start down for instance are even more critical than normal. Especially for a Hitter (for whom its often easier to just shorten the backswing). The Swinger can load hard with his Pivot , Drag Loading, ground up 6-M-1 and just keep the left wrist turned to plane prior to Triggering and he's good. In fact if he doenst non auto a Left Wrist Throw he'll get an automatic version when the Hands reach the bottom of their Delivery Path , the small pulley wheel of the Endless Belt Automatic Snap Release. The Hitter really has to sneak that right shoulder down to the ball and then fire. It seems that way for me anyways. The On Plane #2 Angle Trigger, the Thrusting by itself is not Throwaway. Because the Thrusting, Throwing is done against the Pressure Points on the Top of the Shaft as opposed to the aft.
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