My opinion, and many won't agree, angled hinge or horizontal hinge is OK. With either one you need a finish swivel as taught by Yoda.
Impact Fix or Adjusted address, however you are comfortable. Experimentation to find what works for PATRICK's swing is KEY.
Don't complicate it so much. When you get to Cuscowilla you are going to see how pure basic fundamentals and imperatives will change your motion forever. No fancy stuff needed. So hard to do with type, especially from another bonehead like me who just knows enough to be dangerous.
Kevin
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Originally posted by YODA
Stilltrying,
Thank you for your support of our site over this past year. Your posts always inspire constructive thinking about the Golf Stroke, and we appreciate your contributions.
In the above Private Message to me, you asked for help in reconciling the Feel of Lag and Drag in the Downstroke Shoulder Turn with its role in supplying the initial Down Plane Thrust of the Power Package. In fact, the core concepts of Lag, Drag and Thrust constitute Step Two of the Power Package Sequence of Operation (6-0) -- Power Loading (6-B-0).
During the Start Down, the Thrust of the leading Body Turn and its Accelerating Right Shoulder transports the lagging Arms and Club Down Plane (6-K-0). This Action creates the Clubhead Lag Pressure that the Accumulators (via the Hands per 6-G-0 and 6-P-0) will propel toward Impact (7-22). This Load is sensed as a Drag on the Pressure Points employed. The Right Shoulder, having been placed On Plane by the Backstroke Pivot, remains On Plane by Turning directly toward the Ball.
The important thing is that, having Loaded the Lag, the Body Turn then continues to lead the Power Package throughout the Downstroke. This move -- On Plane Body Momentum Transfer -- transmits the Pivot Motion to the Arms (7-13) and thus constitutes both Aiming and Thrust.
However, a vicious Thrust is not required and, in fact, can be disruptive enough to cause Clubhead Throwaway (7-20). This is true even when applying Maximum #4 Accumulator Power, i.e., maximum Shoulder Turn Thrust against Pressure Point #4 (where the Left Arm contacts the side of the chest) during the Start Down (6-B-4-A). Every player has a top Turning Speed (2-M-3) and hence Handspeed (7-20), and no amount of violent effort will change it much. So, after supplying the initial Acceleration of the Power Package, the Body need only continue to lead in order to maintain its place in the Downstroke Release Sequence (6-M-1).
To grasp this concept, visualize yourself running toward a distant object. How long will it take you to reach top speed? Once you've reached this speed, can you do anything more -- pump your arms harder, twist your torso violently or even grunt louder -- to make yourself run any faster? No. And so it is with 'extra effort' and the Pivot Motion.
Regarding Feel, the lagging Arms, Hands and Club put a drag on the leading Right Shoulder, and this Feel should be sustained until the Release of the Power Package Accumulator Lag (Out-of-Line condition of the employed Power Package Components). However, just as with the Clubhead Lag (trailing Clubhead Inertia), the Pivot Lag (Lag and Drag of the Pivot Train) is never 'Released' (6-B-0). This gives the Stroke its Maximum Radius (from the Feet to the Sweetspot) and makes the Club very 'heavy' (Effective Clubhead Mass per 2-M-2-2) and much more able to resist the Deceleration Force of Impact.
My emphasis shown above, is to remind me that simple is powerful and DOWN is enough if it is done well and in -balance with the LAG securely resting on PP # 3!
ICT
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My emphasis shown above, is to remind me that simple is powerful and DOWN is enough if it is done well and in -balance!
ICT
Some say "Wallop it with your pivot." Yoda has taught us from day one that the pivot is Zone One, it supports the Power Package, and leads, but is instructed by educated hands. Just as we need to sequence properly, we need to have our priorities straight.
Homer Kelley prioritized the release 4-1-2-3. If we release 1&4 after 2&3 our arms get stuck behind us and can't contribute to the proper plane of the shaft or addition of speed...
I think...
Kevin
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Yes, the momentum of the club will carry you to the finish.
You want to develop an instant acceleration of the Hips from the Top of the Stroke. This sets up a smooth and dependable Rhythm for the rest of the Stroke. Note that this does not mean you should violently spin your hips to the finish, in fact, quite the opposite. I personally like to associate this with the feeling of tapping a flywheel, because you only need a light 'push' and it keeps spinning forever (well...almost). You don't try to turn the flywheel by guiding it with your hands.
And remember to return your focus to your Hands, its Lag Pressure Point in relation to the Plane Line, once this motion has been identified and reduced to a Feel Equivalent and fully integrated into your Total Motion.
Homer Kelley would have agreed, Leo. He came to understand 'Instant Acceleration' Hip Action and Drag Loading (10-19-C) by studying the swing of Ben Hogan. In describing Hogan's action, he used the phrase "'flip' of the hips."
This lightning quick movement Loaded the Lag and set up the Centrifugal Downstoke Sequence. But, beyond that little "flip," Homer maintained that nothing more was required of the Body other than that it continue to lead the Power Package Down Plane.
So simple and so elegant! I am shooting sub-par this year WGH (with God's help).
ICT
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So simple and so elegant! I am shooting sub-par this year WGH (with God's help).
ICT
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The uniformity of TGM is captured in the accurate, insightful observations here at LBG.
One of the indirect proofs of the existence of a 9 dimensional Deity, at least, (reality, past, present, and future) is collaboration of Truth. (if the universe was a product of happenstance, nothing would be verifiable, ever.)
So, when Ed-Z, Yoda, Peggy Kirk Bell, and Tommy Armour all come up with the same drill to help Impact happen, we should be encouraged to uhmm, TRY IT!
First of all, can we stipulate that the 'finger down the shaft' is not exactly a new idea? I don't know how old you are, EdZ, but I dare say you were still in kneepants -- if you were yet born -- when I first heard of Gene Sarazen's 'After 40' Finger putting stroke in 1960. That would be 44 years ago, and there's no telling how many years he had been using it before that. Another great player whose 'extended forefinger' substantially pre-dates your drill is Nancy Lopez -- no longer a spring chicken -- who has used it almost every day of her golfing life. So, again, not exactly a new idea.
Second, no disrepect intended, but if I read your 'extended forefinger' drill, I don't remember it.
Third, what's new about the Grip I independently came up with (a few weeks before the Pine Needles Workshop and not on the spur of the moment as 6bee1dee's post suggested) is the way the Forefinger is positioned at the back of the Shaft. Very importantly, it is not "extended down the side of the shaft" as in your drill. Instead, it is 'crooked' at Right Angles. This puts a tremendous amount of pressure on the tip of that Finger -- far more than your simply extended finger -- and thereby produces an unmistakeable Pressure Point #3 Feel.
Beyond that, and just as important in promoting the proper support for the Frozen Right Wrist, it also drives the heel of the right hand into the Left Hand Thumb, thereby creating susbstantial pressure at Pressure Point #1.
And all this pressure -- both against #3 and #1 -- is established before you swing the club, not just during the Stroke.
So, any resemblance between my drill and yours is coincidental and very faint. That's the real story behind this new twist on an old idea.
The drill stabilizes the Grip (1-L-#3) and is effective for both Hitting and Swinging. Hitters use the 'Bent' Right Forefinger to actively Thrust the Primary Lever Assembly (Left Arm and Club) while Swingers use it to passively sense its Centrifugal Acceleration (1-L-#7). Both use it to Aim the Lag Pressure and Trace the selected Delivery Line (1-L-#10 and 6-C-2-A).
Short Putts and Chips ( Basic Motion 12-5-1) emphasize the Arm Motion Power Accumulators (Right Elbow and Left Arm). Hitters accelerate the Club radially with an Active Right Elbow (Bat Minor Basic Stroke 10-3-K) while Swingers accelerate the Club longitudinally with either the Left Arm or the Right (Pull Minor Basic Stroke 10-3-D). Shoulder Motion is Zeroed Out. The Minor Basic Stroke may be combined with the ponderous Push Major Basic Stroke (7-3) for its minimum Mechanical Advantage and potentially maximum Distance Control. Otherwise, it is combined with either the Pitch or Punch Major Basic Stroke (10-1 or 10-2) and a Fanning Right Forearm Motion.
Pitch Shots (Acquired Motion 12-5-2) introduce Body Motion and the Hand Action Power Accumulators (Left Wrist Cock / Uncock and Left Hand Turn / Roll). Pivot Motion is minimal, but Shoulder Motion may be used to assist both Hitters and Swingers to accelerate the Primary Lever Assembly through Impact.
Hitting or Swinging, remember that the Geometry is the same for all Strokes from Drive to Putt. So, direct your #3 Pressure Point (Right Forefinger Lag Pressure) strongly Downward in a Straight Line Motion toward the Ball. Keep your Left Wrist Flat, your Right Wrist Bent and make no attempt to Steer (3-F-7-A) the Club toward the Target. Finally, remember to execute a definite Left Wrist Hinge Action (1-L-#4, 2-G and 7-10) as you Fully Extend your Right Arm to the end of the Follow-Through, the Both Arms Straight Position (1-L-#15).
When you work in the above Stages One and Two (Basic and Aquired Motion), you are perfecting your Motion 'Through the Ball' . In so doing, you are mastering Golf's Moment of Truth -- from Release to the end of the Follow-Through. When this normally 'Blacked-Out" Interval has been illuminated by your full attention and brought under conscious control, Stage Three -- Total Motion -- becomes a piece of cake.
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A few moments of TRUTH, indeed, leading to POWER AND PRECISION!
ICT
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
The uniformity of TGM is captured in the accurate, insightful observations here at LBG.
One of the indirect proofs of the existence of a 9 dimensional Deity, at least, (reality, past, present, and future) is collaboration of Truth. (if the universe was a product of happenstance, nothing would be verifiable, ever.)
So, when Ed-Z, Yoda, Peggy Kirk Bell, and Tommy Armour all come up with the same drill to help Impact happen, we should be encouraged to uhmm, TRY IT!
For Swingers, the Sequenced Release (4-D-0) involves the Left Hand palm-down-to-the-Plane Karate Chop into Release followed by the Left Wrist Swivel into Impact. Meanwhile, the Right Hand is responsible for the passive Aiming of the #3 Pressure Point as Centrifugal Force provides the Active Clubhead Drive.
For Hitters, the Release of the Left Wrist Cock and Left Hand Roll are simultaneous. Both are actuated by the straightening Right Elbow. Thus, there is no Karate Chop and no Left Wrist Swivel into Impact. As with Swinging, the Right Hand's #3 Pressure Point provides guidance to the Stroke, but in addition, it also funnels the Right Arm Thrust as Active Clubhead Drive.
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Easy enough for this caveman!
ICT
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
Or, make sure the clubface at impact is aligned between your target line and your in to out and down path for a nice little push-draw!!!
Kevin
This is a great point. I prefer this to rotating the plane to the left personally. More power and compression. Ict do you Rotate your Grip for balls played back in the stance per 7-2? Or perhaps you're getting the face open dynamically during the swing?
This is a great point. I prefer this to rotating the plane to the left personally. More power and compression. Ict do you Rotate your Grip for balls played back in the stance per 7-2? Or perhaps you're getting the face open dynamically during the swing?
Agreed 110%
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This is a great point. I prefer this to rotating the plane to the left personally. More power and compression. Ict do you Rotate your Grip for balls played back in the stance per 7-2? Or perhaps you're getting the face open dynamically during the swing?
I must've missed that one, OB. Are you saying we rotate or open the face for balls played back in the stance?
Imagine, me missing something out of the yellow book!
Thanks!
ICT
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
I must've missed that one, OB. Are you saying we rotate or open the face for balls played back in the stance?
Imagine, me missing something out of the yellow book!
Thanks!
ICT
Rotate the Grip by squaring the FAce to the desired initial direction of the ball. See 7-2. As the ball moves back in the stance Hitters and Manipulated Hands Swingers (as opposed to True Swingers) Rotate the Grip (keeping the hands where they would be normally rotate the handle inside the loosened grip to square the face). Given a geometrically correct swing where you swing all the way Down and Out to Low Point you will have thereby created some Divergence in Path and Face Angle which will tend towards a Draw shot (to varying degrees depending upon Plane Angle, Loft , Angle of Attack , degree of Divergence etc.)
We need diagrams again.
So I was wondering if you did this or alternatively let the face open as you moved the ball back in the stance? The latter, in the absence of Plane Line Rotation would tend towards a straight push shot assuming the path and face angle were inline at separation.
There are other reasons for a straight push of course , like sliding in front of the ball say....but geometrically the straight push given a centered hit always comes back to the face angle and path pointing right.
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